After much heartache Thornton finally receives the news that Margaret’s behaviour was not what it seemed. However she is the one that approaches him in the end. Do you think that Thornton wouldn’t approach her again due to his financial problems? Did Margaret’s proposal surprise you? Do you think she did it believing he didn’t love her anymore?
North and South – 4th Episode Discussion
November 24, 2007 by Ana T.
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I don’t think Thornton would have approached Margaret again. I think that he still thought that she was beyond him – and his financial situation only made that worse.
I have to admit that I’ve seen the series and read the book so much in the past month or so that I tend to get a bit confused between the two! In the book, I think that we get more of an understanding regarding how her proposal might have been prompted. (I don’t want to say too much because of the people who may not have finished the book.)
The thought has also just occurred to me that they don’t ever clear up with each other the misunderstanding regarding her and Frederick at the train station. At the end, Margaret doesn’t know that John knows the truth – does she? Do you think that also contributes to why she makes her business proposal?
That’s exactly my opinion, Dee. Thornton always thought he was waaaayyy beyond Margaret, even if he was in a better financial situation. We can see that better in the book, several times he mentiones her upbreeding, her gentle manners, her class, her good family… The fact that he loses the mill and his fortune makes everything worst.
Nope, they never talk about it. She doesn’t know Mr Bell tried to tell him and she doesn’t even imagine Higgins could know something about it, less even say something to Thornton.
In the beginning, when they meet at the station, Margaret sounds very bussiness-like without much success (how could she with that man smilling and looking at her like that?!!
). She desperatly wants to help him, make amends, start something new and show him, at the same time, that she has feelings for him.
Dee and Alex,
I agree with you both, I don’t think he would have approached her now that he doesn’t even have his fortune.
I think her proposal was motivated by the fact that by the end of the story she knows he is a good man, a kind master and he doesn’t deserve what happened. Besides she won that money in the Watson scheme that he decided not to participate in si I’m guessing she feels that she doesn’t deserve the money and it could save him.
I don’t think she went to find him expecting to find love. She seems to have prepared herself to meet him at the mill and when she finds him at the station unexpectadly all her feelings are shown in her face.
No she didn’t know that he knew Fred was her brother. The ending was a bit rushed wasn’t it? Both in the series and in the book…
I’m with you too. I don’t think he would have ever proposed again either. He still thinks she has a dislike of him. And his reduced financial circumstances would have been even more of a barrier.
I thought the ending in the movie was a bit rushed too – still haven’t read the book. I would have liked to have more conversation between them.
But – oh that look on his face when he sees Margaret. That is just the best look ever. And then when she gets up and walks away and he turns as if he’s lost his entire world!!! And then he spies her through the train window.
Wowzers – just the best EVAH!!
And I’ve watched the final scene between Margaret and Hannah a number of times now and I still can’t decide whether Hannah accepts Margaret’s offer of consolation or not. Is there anything in the book about that?
Yeah Kristie, that final scene between those two bugs me too. I think that she doesn’t accept it. The book doesn’t have that scene.
I wonder what aspect of the book that the series writers were trying to portray by putting this scene in – does it say anything in the commentary? Any thoughts from those who have read the book?
For me, my favourite bits at the train station were when John says that Margaret doesn’t need Henry to help her talk to him, and when he’s just looking at her as she’s trying to explain.
The end is definately a bit rushed (both in the book and the serie) and even if I do like the train station scene I’m also very fond of the original end. You must read the book, Kristie. You’ll love it!
For me, the serie’s end is a more modern view where we actually see them expressing their feelings openly. In reality, it would be quite improper for Margaret to travel alone with Henry and then leave with another man, who she kissed in public! I suppose they needed something more striking and romantic who would please everyone.
Oh my, Dee! That look is amazing. I would melt in 5 seconds…
Can’t remember if there was any mention of the Margaret/ Hannah scene in the commentary. I’ll check that out tonight. I don’t see any scene in the book that could be adapted to fit this one…
Yes, I love that scene where she is trying to explain and it’s like he isn’t even listening to her, he’s just gazing at her with such love. And when he kisses her – no, it wouldn’t be done most likely, but it’s such a gentle, loving kiss that it almost puts into words everything he’s feeling so I don’t mind that it’s not properly correct – it’s just so lovely.
I must be the only one that the ending didn’t strike as being rushed. I thought it was beautifully done. The train journey back to Milton to portray a sense of the couple setting out on a new journey, together. Anymore dialouge between them I feel would have taken away from the raw emotion shown in the facial and body expressions.