Considering the feelings shown by Margaret at the dinner party and during the riot, did you expect her to refuse Mr. Thornton? Do you think she mislead him? Or was he too impulsive proposing right away without being sure of her feelings?
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I have a confused opinion about this. It is clear from the beginning that Thornton finds her an interesting person and he is always trying to be friendly towards her. The first time she actually responds to that is during the dinner party scene where they shake hands and she keeps looking at him. However if there had not been the riot scene and her behaviour I don’t think John would have proposed. During his conversation with his mother he clearly says that she knows “what he will have to say!” And that he doesn’t believe that Margaret has feelings for him. It’s his mother who almost convinces him of that because such untoward behaviour could only be explained by Margaret’s passion for him.
I do think he didn’t start the proposal in the best way but after he admits he loves her I just wished Margaret had thought better and realised that her reputation was not what it was at stake there. But it was probably too early for her to understand her feelings then. She seems more taken aback after she realises he does love her and she hurt him deeply. and I think that’s really when she starts to really change.
Different thoughts anyone?
Thornton does find her interesting and he is attracted to her immediately but I don’t think she knows or even suspects it, especially when they met under such peculiar circumstances. First, he never says anything or even has a more intimate gesture and then during that dinner party at his house, I can sense Margaret’s hesitation. She’s trying to redeem herself from their last argument and, at the same time, she is fascinated by that strong and stubborn man. During the riot, she was impulsive and showed how she felt for him without any second thoughts. John never really understood it and it was his mother who convinced him that Margaret had feelings for him. Otherwise, I don’t think he would go to her house and propose in such manner. He wasn’t prepared to declare himself and she was afraid that he only proposed because it was his duty to do so. I don’t think Margaret mislead him and it was too early to ask for a love declaration.
But don’t you think he felt it was his duty to propose because of her behaviour? That’s what I thought when he said to his mother that he had to say it. Not that he wanted to because he loved her but that he had to. He doesn’t mention love till his mother speaks of it… I think… I might have to go watch again just to be sure ;-P
No, he never mentiones love even if his mother knows about his feelings. Now, thats the problem! What would you do in Margaret’s place if someone proposed to you only by duty? And worst, someone you started to like…
But it wasn’t only because of duty, he does admit to his feelings for her… I think she wasn’t ready to accept her feelings and also that she was too proud to accept him and have his mother believe she had plotted for that to happen.
Well, it’s true but he didn’t say it until it was too late…
Silly man!! ;-P
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I think John’s mother encouraged him to act a bit hastily. She was convinced that no one would dare turn her son down. I still don’t understand why Margaret was so cruel though. I’ve watched the extended proposal scene and still don’t get why she said she didn’t like him and never would. By that time he’s already confessed he’s in love with her.
You know I’ve been thinking about that Kristie(J) and the answers I come up with also don’t convince me: she was mad at having overheard Fanny mentioning her behaviour, upset about Bessy’s illness and probably a bit in shock too but none of that seems really strong reasons to be so rude and to clearly misunderstand him. Maybe that’s why she says she is sorry afterwards…
I agree with you, Ana T.
Margaret was having such hard time right then and Fanny’s behaviour didn’t help at all. When John proposed, he started right away with the wrong foot and I don’t think she was expecting him to confess his feelings. Also, I’m convinced if he was less impulse and started showing her his affections slowly, everything would have been different (but less interesting and shorter!lol).